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In the age of drones, attack helicopters are quickly getting redundant infact in 20 years time, no one will built them that is why Pakistan is also playing a waiting game over T129s. Rather than investing so much on the engines for attack helicopters, I think it will be more fruitful for Turkey and other countries to invest much on drones engines.
or may be in 10 year time Gunships will team up with drones, and any of the pilot will operate slow moving UCAV from Helicopter Man-Unmanned Teaming for Anti Armour and anti Artillery roles .....
 
or may be in 10 year time Gunships will team up with drones, and any of the pilot will operate slow moving UCAV from Helicopter Man-Unmanned Teaming for Anti Armour and anti Artillery roles .....
I see automation to take over these systems more. Even 7th generation fighter planes may well be pilotless.
 
In the age of drones, attack helicopters are quickly getting redundant infact in 20 years time, no one will built them that is why Pakistan is also playing a waiting game over T129s. Rather than investing so much on the engines for attack helicopters, I think it will be more fruitful for Turkey and other countries to invest much on drones engines.
The armored reconnaissance and very low altidude-hovering CAS capabilities of attack helicopters and the unique advantages they provide to armies will continue for a long time. Since today's modern helicopters have much stronger power output than tactical UAVs, they can carry much more powerful electronic systems, SAR, electrooptics, countermeasure an even ea systems. Today, even the lightest class armored reconnaissance helicopter is operating with a minimum of 1 tonne ammunition.

A fixed-wing UAV that will carry 1 ton of ammunition can only operate at medium altitude. At low altitude, it becomes an easy target. And if you're not going to go up to the costs of a fighter jets; They cannot have high attack angles.

Another new approach is that UAVs and attack helicopters now share the same tactical screen. The image received by the UAV can be transmitted to the helicopter console in real time, likewise a helicopter can mark target; or a high-altitude and SAR-laden UAV may increase the helicopter's operational awareness.
 
Another new approach is that UAVs and attack helicopters now share the same tactical screen. The image received by the UAV can be transmitted to the helicopter console in real time, likewise a helicopter can mark target; or a high-altitude and SAR-laden UAV may increase the helicopter's operational awareness.
What you are saying is limitation of technology as of now. What I meant is, in 20 years time, sophisticated , AI enabled drones will evolve into something which will cater everything you have mentioned above within themselves. Yes for now, attack helicopters are better weapon systems but gradually they will be phased out by more powerful drones.

Attack drones systems are the new doctrine in wars which every powerful army is adopting.
 
Hi latest with ATAK is there isn’t any for PA whatever been manufactured for Pakistan been exported or about to be to Philippines to some extent USA has taken care of Turkish loss of export to Pakistan by allowing them to export these to Philippines 🇵🇭
until unless Turkey start manufacturing its own engine for ATAK no helicopter for Pakistan
thank you
 

Authorized name announced: ATAK 2's engines will be produced in Turkey​

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TUSAŞ Helicopter Deputy General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu announced that the Ukrainian engines planned to be used in the ATAK-II Helicopter will be produced in Turkey.

The Ukrainian origin engine of the Heavy Class Attack Helicopter ATAK-II will be produced in Turkey. TUSAŞ Helicopter Deputy General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu, who was the guest of Rana Mubashir's program on the Pakistani Aaj channel with TAI General Manager Temel Kotil, announced that the engine of the T929, or ATAK II heavy class attack helicopter, will be produced in Turkey.

Upon the question, Demiroğlu stated that the T129 Atak helicopter is not completely domestic, but Ukrainian engines will be produced in Turkey in the T929 project. Since there is no domestic and national engine alternative, its engine comes from Ukraine. Temel Kotil stated in the past that the T929 will be equipped with 2500 hp engines and will fly in 2023.

ATAK II delivery to TAF in 2025

Turkish Aerospace Industries Inc. General Manager Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil announced in A Haber's "Gendance Special" broadcast that 3 ATAK II attack helicopters would be delivered to the Land Forces Command in 2025.

Answering Defense Turk's questions after the Air and Space Vehicles Design Laboratory opening program in partnership with TAI and ITU, Temel Kotil announced that the naval version of the ATAK-II heavy class attack helicopter would be developed. Temel Kotil, “Will there be a naval version of Atak and Gökbey for ANADOLU LHD? Do you have a calendar in this direction?” to our question, “For now, we are considering the marine version of the ATAK-II.” had made a statement.

Temel Kotil had announced that the 11-ton ATAK II attack helicopter would start its engine and rotate its propellers in 2022. Kotil had previously announced that the engines of the Heavy Class Attack Helicopter ATAK-II would come from Ukraine and that a contract was signed in this context. It was announced that the T929, that is, ATAK-II, is in the 11-ton class and can carry 1,500 kg of ammunition.


T925 utility helicopter will fly in 2024

Temel Kotil, who gave new information about the 10 ton Class Utility Helicopter, of which there is not much information, used the name T-925 in the past when talking about the helicopter.

In the last statement, Kotil stated that the T925 general purpose helicopter will have a capacity of 21 people and a ramp, and announced that the helicopter will have a joint power group with the 11-ton T-929 ATAK-II. The T925 helicopter, which will have a take-off weight of 11 tons, will have a capacity of 5 thousand horsepower (two engines).

The first flight date for the T-925 was stated as 2025, but Kotil pointed to the date of 18 March 2024 for the first flight. In the T925 helicopter, there will be an improved version of the avionics systems of the GÖKBEY helicopter and maybe.

With its components similar to GÖKBEY, especially development and production, and after delivery, the user will be facilitated in processes such as maintenance, maintenance and repair.

It is considered certain that the T925 utility helicopter will be used in TCG ANADOLU together with the T929 ATAK II.

Currently, there is an approach to deploying heavy class attack and utility helicopters on ANADOLU class and similar platforms. In addition to the heavy class higher ammunition / carrying capacity, they can perform tasks in more difficult sea conditions as platforms with high sea stance.



I beleive its wise that We look forward to the next evolution instead of T129!

 

Authorized name announced: ATAK 2's engines will be produced in Turkey​

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TUSAŞ Helicopter Deputy General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu announced that the Ukrainian engines planned to be used in the ATAK-II Helicopter will be produced in Turkey.

The Ukrainian origin engine of the Heavy Class Attack Helicopter ATAK-II will be produced in Turkey. TUSAŞ Helicopter Deputy General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu, who was the guest of Rana Mubashir's program on the Pakistani Aaj channel with TAI General Manager Temel Kotil, announced that the engine of the T929, or ATAK II heavy class attack helicopter, will be produced in Turkey.

Upon the question, Demiroğlu stated that the T129 Atak helicopter is not completely domestic, but Ukrainian engines will be produced in Turkey in the T929 project. Since there is no domestic and national engine alternative, its engine comes from Ukraine. Temel Kotil stated in the past that the T929 will be equipped with 2500 hp engines and will fly in 2023.

ATAK II delivery to TAF in 2025

Turkish Aerospace Industries Inc. General Manager Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil announced in A Haber's "Gendance Special" broadcast that 3 ATAK II attack helicopters would be delivered to the Land Forces Command in 2025.

Answering Defense Turk's questions after the Air and Space Vehicles Design Laboratory opening program in partnership with TAI and ITU, Temel Kotil announced that the naval version of the ATAK-II heavy class attack helicopter would be developed. Temel Kotil, “Will there be a naval version of Atak and Gökbey for ANADOLU LHD? Do you have a calendar in this direction?” to our question, “For now, we are considering the marine version of the ATAK-II.” had made a statement.

Temel Kotil had announced that the 11-ton ATAK II attack helicopter would start its engine and rotate its propellers in 2022. Kotil had previously announced that the engines of the Heavy Class Attack Helicopter ATAK-II would come from Ukraine and that a contract was signed in this context. It was announced that the T929, that is, ATAK-II, is in the 11-ton class and can carry 1,500 kg of ammunition.


T925 utility helicopter will fly in 2024

Temel Kotil, who gave new information about the 10 ton Class Utility Helicopter, of which there is not much information, used the name T-925 in the past when talking about the helicopter.

In the last statement, Kotil stated that the T925 general purpose helicopter will have a capacity of 21 people and a ramp, and announced that the helicopter will have a joint power group with the 11-ton T-929 ATAK-II. The T925 helicopter, which will have a take-off weight of 11 tons, will have a capacity of 5 thousand horsepower (two engines).

The first flight date for the T-925 was stated as 2025, but Kotil pointed to the date of 18 March 2024 for the first flight. In the T925 helicopter, there will be an improved version of the avionics systems of the GÖKBEY helicopter and maybe.

With its components similar to GÖKBEY, especially development and production, and after delivery, the user will be facilitated in processes such as maintenance, maintenance and repair.

It is considered certain that the T925 utility helicopter will be used in TCG ANADOLU together with the T929 ATAK II.

Currently, there is an approach to deploying heavy class attack and utility helicopters on ANADOLU class and similar platforms. In addition to the heavy class higher ammunition / carrying capacity, they can perform tasks in more difficult sea conditions as platforms with high sea stance.



I beleive its wise that We look forward to the next evolution instead of T129!
Turkish engines are the key. Without local engine it won't work. US and Europe are big blackmailers. They have double standards for Israel and other European countries and us. Pakistan, Turkey and other countries should join hands in development of engines and even if have to steal technology should do it but make engines on our own.
 
Turkish engines are the key. Without local engine it won't work. US and Europe are big blackmailers. They have double standards for Israel and other European countries and us. Pakistan, Turkey and other countries should join hands in development of engines and even if have to steal technology should do it but make engines on our own.
Hazrat, Derwaish Muffakir @Zarvan Its a Ukrainian engine and NOT a western engine!!! there won't be an issue. The Ukranian are indebted to to Turkey!
 
Hazrat, Derwaish Muffakir @Zarvan Its a Ukrainian engine and NOT a western engine!!! there won't be an issue. The Ukranian are indebted to to Turkey!
But what he is saying carries weight. The muslim world led by Turkey and later along with Pakistan needs to overcome this hurdle and produce the engines in house. It maybe practical to produce engines on one site but divide work at multiple participating sites to save costs. This model was what was proposed for T129 and may well be tried for T929.
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Turkish engines are the key. Without local engine it won't work. US and Europe are big blackmailers. They have double standards for Israel and other European countries and us. Pakistan, Turkey and other countries should join hands in development of engines and even if have to steal technology should do it but make engines on our own.
There maybe an attempt at hybrid solutions. At the moment it is not possible for Turkey to fully produce engines locally. I do not know where the hurdles are but it maybe a case of getting technologies from multiple providers to eventually produce a local variant. It is apparent to an outsider like me that Turkish engines are a good decade away if not more. As to EU/USA, they are safeguarding their own interests and billions of dollars of sunk investment in their industry.
 
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Pakistan should work with Turks to set up a helicopter industry in Pakistan. We can get a lot of tech from Turkey.
 
Its a Ukrainian engine and NOT a western engine!!!
Ukraine is eastern Europe. what is western engine then ? France, Germany, USA ?

But what he is saying carries weight. The muslim world led by Turkey and later along with Pakistan needs to overcome this hurdle and produce the engines in house. It maybe practical to produce engines on one site but divide work at multiple participating sites to save costs. This model was what was proposed for T129 and may well be tried for T929.
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There maybe an attempt at hybrid solutions. At the moment it is not possible for Turkey to fully produce engines locally. I do not know where the hurdles are but it maybe a case of getting technologies from multiple providers to eventually produce a local variant. It is apparent to an outsider like me that Turkish engines are a good decade away if not more. As to EU/USA, they are safeguarding their own interests and billions of dollars of sunk investment in their industry.
One has to see if current COIN Ops are affected due less Op hours/retirement of old AH-1's

Authorized name announced: ATAK 2's engines will be produced in Turkey​

View attachment 862666

TUSAŞ Helicopter Deputy General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu announced that the Ukrainian engines planned to be used in the ATAK-II Helicopter will be produced in Turkey.

The Ukrainian origin engine of the Heavy Class Attack Helicopter ATAK-II will be produced in Turkey. TUSAŞ Helicopter Deputy General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu, who was the guest of Rana Mubashir's program on the Pakistani Aaj channel with TAI General Manager Temel Kotil, announced that the engine of the T929, or ATAK II heavy class attack helicopter, will be produced in Turkey.

Upon the question, Demiroğlu stated that the T129 Atak helicopter is not completely domestic, but Ukrainian engines will be produced in Turkey in the T929 project. Since there is no domestic and national engine alternative, its engine comes from Ukraine. Temel Kotil stated in the past that the T929 will be equipped with 2500 hp engines and will fly in 2023.

ATAK II delivery to TAF in 2025

Turkish Aerospace Industries Inc. General Manager Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil announced in A Haber's "Gendance Special" broadcast that 3 ATAK II attack helicopters would be delivered to the Land Forces Command in 2025.

Answering Defense Turk's questions after the Air and Space Vehicles Design Laboratory opening program in partnership with TAI and ITU, Temel Kotil announced that the naval version of the ATAK-II heavy class attack helicopter would be developed. Temel Kotil, “Will there be a naval version of Atak and Gökbey for ANADOLU LHD? Do you have a calendar in this direction?” to our question, “For now, we are considering the marine version of the ATAK-II.” had made a statement.

Temel Kotil had announced that the 11-ton ATAK II attack helicopter would start its engine and rotate its propellers in 2022. Kotil had previously announced that the engines of the Heavy Class Attack Helicopter ATAK-II would come from Ukraine and that a contract was signed in this context. It was announced that the T929, that is, ATAK-II, is in the 11-ton class and can carry 1,500 kg of ammunition.


T925 utility helicopter will fly in 2024

Temel Kotil, who gave new information about the 10 ton Class Utility Helicopter, of which there is not much information, used the name T-925 in the past when talking about the helicopter.

In the last statement, Kotil stated that the T925 general purpose helicopter will have a capacity of 21 people and a ramp, and announced that the helicopter will have a joint power group with the 11-ton T-929 ATAK-II. The T925 helicopter, which will have a take-off weight of 11 tons, will have a capacity of 5 thousand horsepower (two engines).

The first flight date for the T-925 was stated as 2025, but Kotil pointed to the date of 18 March 2024 for the first flight. In the T925 helicopter, there will be an improved version of the avionics systems of the GÖKBEY helicopter and maybe.

With its components similar to GÖKBEY, especially development and production, and after delivery, the user will be facilitated in processes such as maintenance, maintenance and repair.

It is considered certain that the T925 utility helicopter will be used in TCG ANADOLU together with the T929 ATAK II.

Currently, there is an approach to deploying heavy class attack and utility helicopters on ANADOLU class and similar platforms. In addition to the heavy class higher ammunition / carrying capacity, they can perform tasks in more difficult sea conditions as platforms with high sea stance.



I beleive its wise that We look forward to the next evolution instead of T129!

Can ATAK-II communicate with TB-2s and other UAVs through data link and assign tasks to them.
 
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Can ATAK-II communicate with TB-2s and other UAVs through data link and assign tasks to them.
tbh I think the Turks probably thought of that and are working towards it. Heck, they might do something crazier like design a special loitering munition that the ATAK-2 can launch and communicate with as both a mini scout and a stand-off weapon.
 

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