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China & Pak: Russia’s Not Stopping the Flow of JF-17 Engines

500 is not bad ... :cheers:

500 JF17 THUNDERS damn... major headaches :argh:

Its not one engine per aircraft. 500 engines means 250 "hardworking and operational" JF-17s. If we want 500 aircrafts, probably 1000 or more engines would be required.
 
In my opinion, PAF will go with WS13 for future JF17s. It is more powerful and i am sure will come with ToT. However, PAF and china will keep Russian engines for export orders as customer might not wanna go with chinese engine due to its recent development and secondly, china and pakistna might not wanna sell their more powerfiul engine to keep an edge over their own JF17s. think about it for a second, US doesnt give its latest tech to ther countries for the same reason.

Secondly, export avionics will be also be a downgraded version of what pakistani and chinese airforce might use....
 
This confirms (again!) what i stated that there is no hurdle in engines to China or Pakistan or even export. Russians are not stupid to stop a multi million dollar deal for no reason.
 
This kind of news follow a pattern....

1- There is a news of blockade of radars or engines or blah.
2- Indians celebrate.
3- Pakistani members evaluate our other options.
4- The news of blockade turns out to be hoax.
5- Celeberating Indians take a back seat and good Indians (mostly the celeberating ones) congratulate us.
6- Pakistani members continue to evaluate our options and future prospects.
7- Another news of blockade comes

Go to step 1....
 
JF-17 is Inferior to Mig-29 that's why there is difference in the price.

Same goes for F-16 Blk 52 whose price is high as compared to SU-30mki(even SU-30 is twin engined heavy weight fighter, having weight which is double as compared to single engine medium weight F-16 blk52), so from now on, i hope i would not see any one comparing SU-30MKI with F-16 Blk52.:bunny::bunny:

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lock the thread !:D
 
This kind of news follow a pattern....

1- There is a news of blockade of radars or engines or blah.
2- Indians celebrate.
3- Pakistani members evaluate our other options.
4- The news of blockade turns out to be hoax.
5- Celeberating Indians take a back seat and good Indians (mostly the celeberating ones) congratulate us.
6- Pakistani members continue to evaluate our options and future prospects.
7- Another news of blockade comes

Go to step 1....
By comparing the JF-17 as a Mig-29 competitor, we've gotten a lot of free publicity too :)
 
By comparing the JF-17 as a Mig-29 competitor, we've gotten a lot of free publicity too :)

I really think jf-17 is and could be more than what we really think. It has great potential. That is the only reason why some nations are trying so hard to hurt this project.

It will be replacing world war 2 era planes in PAF in one go. That is a big step for PAF. Old Mirages, F-7s and A-5s replaced by a modern fighter in the most economic manner.

PAF is really unique in its approach. How this air force keeps its deterrent alive in stringent economic conditions and limited choices is a lesson for many.
 
Let me tell you why Russia will continue to sell engines to China :

If Russia stops selling engines to China then it is like cutting off your own
cash flow.

When China sells Fighter Jets with Russian Engines, the demand for such engines goes up which means more orders for the Russian Defense Industry. If Russia stops the selling engines to China then there will be a big hole in the Russian's pocket.

China is helping the Russian Defense Industry but Russian Ultra Nationalists often hype the China Threat. China should just develop her own engine so that the Russian can sh@ve all the engines up their own a@@.
 
Listen guys it was simple politics

Russia sold engines to Pakistan/China made $$$

Russia made some confusing remarks ... got contract from India $$$

Russia then went ahead and sold stuff to India $$$

Russia then sold S300 to China made $$$$

Russia then said ... ban on engines what ban ???

Russia then also offerd S300 to turkey $$$$:victory:


Our deal for 1000-1500 russian engines is still on , we might take 500 engines rest are for export

But we might use the WS-13 engine
 
PAF Chief says no problems in acquiring engines for JF-17 aircraft

FARNBOROUGH, July 21 (APP)-Pakistan Air Force Chief Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman has rubbished claims that production of JF-17 Thunder warplanes has been hit by problems relating to procurement of Russian engines and said the manufacturing of the fighter planes in joint collaboration with China was proceeding smoothly. The Air Chief was speaking to media on the occasion of his visit to Farnborough International Air Show where two PAF JF-17 aircraft are on static display.

“There are no problems whatsoever regarding the supply of engines for these aircraft contrary what has been appearing in the international media,” he asserted.
The Air Chief who visited the site where two PAF planes are on display and met the pilots and the ground staff, said he has been encouraged by the positive response of friendly countries who have shown interest in the aircraft.
He said both Pakistan and China have evolved a joint strategy to sell these planes to the interested countries.
The President of China Aviation Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC), Li Yu Hai who was also present on the occasion categorically stated that they have received no information from Russia on suspending the further supply of 100 RD-93 engines.
The Pakistani Air Force chief added that China has also manufactured engines for this aircraft which are currently under testing and trials.
“We have to see how far these engines are successfully and then possibly induct them into JF-17”.
He said Pakistan was looking to manufacture around 250 of these aircraft to replacing its present fleet of A-5s, FP-7 and Mirages.
According to Jane’s Defence Weekly, Egypt has launched negotiations with Pakistan in relation to licensed production of these single engine multimode fighter aircraft.
According to the magazine, the Russian defence manufacturers are facing strong competition from China vis-à-vis their MIG-29s which carry a price tag of US $ 35 million as compared to 10 million dollars for FC-1 fighters.
The magazine said MIG-29s are currently competing with FC-1s in an Egyptian tender on the delivery of 32 fighters while the Middle East country is also negotiating with Pakistan.
The Russian Federal Service for Military Technical Co-operation approved re-export of RD-93 engines to Egypt as part of the FC-1 fighter package in November 2007.
While the PAF chief was visiting static display of JF-17, overhead an array of latest Western fighter planes including the state-of-the-art F-22 Raptor, F-16, F-18, Euro fighter Typhoon, British-made Hawke trainer thrilled the crowd with their aeronautical characteristics during the flying display.
Pakistan plans to fly the JF-17 planes at the next 2012 show. In the meantime, these planes will also participate in the Singapore International Air Show next year.
The Commander of the Saudi Arabian Dharan Airbase also visited the site and evinced keen interest in JF-17. As he sat in the cockpit he was explained about its various features by wing commander Khalid who flew one of the planes from Pakistan. The PAF Chief also sat in the cockpit. Air Vice Marshal Muhammad Arif. Project, Director, of JF-17 was also present on the occasion.
Both Pakistan and China have set up a joint stall at the main exhibition hall and has been receiving numerous enquiries regarding the aircraft which has put on display for the first time at an international air show.
The Pakistan Air Force officially inducted its first JF-17 squadron on February 18 this year.
The JF-17 aircraft will be produced in blocks of 50 aircraft each where every succeeding block would be an upgraded version of the preceding block. Pakistan ’s share in co-production of the airframe of JF-17 aircraft would be more than 50%. Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, has the capacity to roll-out 15-25 aircraft per year.

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency )
 
Listen guys it was simple politics

Russia sold engines to Pakistan/China made $$$

Russia made some confusing remarks ... got contract from India $$$

Russia then went ahead and sold stuff to India $$$

Russia then sold S300 to China made $$$$

Russia then said ... ban on engines what ban ???

Russia then also offerd S300 to turkey $$$$:victory:


Our deal for 1000-1500 russian engines is still on , we might take 500 engines rest are for export

But we might use the WS-13 engine

There is no big deal in this case, Its pure business. Whether its Russia or French or US, all are doing defence business here and selling their equipments. Secondly abt ur statement, do you think decision makers are some fools who just believe such news and make decision that buy the equipments from Russia ?? As long as S-300 and other stuffs are concerned its on offer to mostly countries including Iran, Turkey, China etc. India was offered S-300 almost 15 yrs back, So if it is offered to Turkey and China by Russia now, whats the big deal???

As long as nos are concerned, whether its no of ACs or no of engines, I donot wana comment on ur post. It is something you are very good on it.
 

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