China warns of tit-for-tat over dairy ban

[afriend]

China warns of tit-for-tat over dairy ban - India - The Times of India

China has retaliated against India's ban on its dairy products, putting the two neighbours with a legacy of estrangement on the brink of a trade war.

China is annoyed with India's decision to extend the ban on its milk and milk products, which expired on June 24, by another six months until December 24. It has threatened to ban Indian products in retaliation.

In a letter to the Indian embassy, general administration of quality control bureau of China said, "During the period of financial crisis, we are strongly against trade protectionism of any form. As a member of BRIC and WTO, we hope your party determines the prohibition towards China's dairy products ASAP, in the spirit of safeguarding bilateral trade."

It added, "If India insists on this decision, China will respond to the safety and quality of imported products from India."

According to commerce ministry officials, China has raised doubts about food products imported from India, including seafood products, dairy products and sesame oil to pressurise India to lift the ban. "China has also taken a moral high ground by saying that it has not banned import of these Indian products," an official said.

Arguing for lifting the ban, China pointed out that after the milk scandal, it had taken several measures to deal with the problem and highlighted that these measures prompted countries like Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Chile to left the ban on Chinese dairy products.

China has asked India to provide the scientific basis and risk assessment under the WTO/SPS agreement to enforce the ban on its products.

"The Chinese side shows grave concern because the ban is extended in India while it is removed in other countries. The reaction in India, regardless of the efforts and achievements by Chinese government, differ from good cooperation between both sides, lacking scientific ground and against scientific principle, the transparency principle and the minimum impact on foreign trade principle stipulated in WTO agreements," the letter said.

The ban on dairy products was extended for six months to ward off any threat of contaminated whitener which had caused deaths of several infants and made several thousands ill. A notification to this effect was issued by the Directorate General of Foreign Trade (DGFT).

India, in September 2008, had banned Chinese milk and its byproducts for three months which was later extended in December last year for six months. Melamine, used to make plastics and fertilisers, was found in infant milk and other dairy products of several Chinese firms. The dangerous chemical can cause kidney stones as well as failure of the organ.

More than a dozen countries in Asia and Africa had also banned milk and dairy product imports from China, while several others had recalled products suspected to be contaminated.

 

[aimarraul]

are you surprised that your protectionism would come back and bite you in the ***?china is india's biggest partner ,india is not even on china's top 8 list

 

[BSF]

It added, "If India insists on this decision, China will respond to the safety and quality of imported products from India."

So as of now.. China has not tested the quality of Indian products?

China imports goods from India?
I wonder what it imports?

 

[glomex]

So as of now.. China has not tested the quality of Indian products?

China imports goods from India?
I wonder what it imports?

Indian Exports to China


Indian Exports to China is an integral part of the bilateral trade relations between the two Asian countries, India and china. Indian Exports to China focus on mainly primary products. In 1984, India and China signed a trade agreement, providing for Most Favored Nation treatment, to foster greater cooperation between each other. Moreover, the year 2006 was celebrated as Friendship Year between India and China.
Items of Indian Exports to China

The principal items of Indian exports to China comprise of ores, slag and ash, iron and steel, plastics, organic chemicals, and cotton. In order to increase the extent of exporting Indian goods to China, however, there should be a special emphasis on investments and trade in services and knowledge-based sectors.

At present, iron ore constitutes about 53% of the total Indian exports to China. The other items that have potentials are marine products, oil seeds, salt, inorganic chemicals, plastic, rubber, optical and medical equipment, and dairy products. Not only this, great potential exists in areas like biotechnology, IT and ITES, health, education, tourism, and the financial sector – all of which will contribute to the services and knowledge based sectors.

The need is to shift the focus from primary exports to the export of diverse range of high value added products, including -

1. Auto engine components and automobiles
2. Organic and inorganic products
3. Pharmaceuticals
4. Metal and metal based products like alloy steel bars and rods
5. Agricultural products like grains, tobacco and oilseeds
6. Engineering goods like diesel engines and compressors
7. Marine foods
8. Fresh and processed fruits and vegetables
9. Medical and optical diagnostic equipment and laboratory equipment
10. Consumer durables
11. Textile yarns

Such diversification of Indian exports to China clearly indicates that there exists a steady demand for these products in the Chinese market.
Impediments for Indian exports to China

There are certain obstacles faced by Indian exporters in their attempts to capture the markets of China. Lack of information on customs procedures, imposition of excessive customs and other levies with frequent rate changes, complex customs valuation procedure, absence of a specified nodal agency, lack of transparency regarding technical standards, differentiated testing norms for imported and domestic products, unfamiliarity with regard to provincial rules and regulations, and frequent change in policies without any advance information on those changes are just some of those problems.
Potential for Indian exports to China

In order to increase the level of Indian exports to China, there should be a continuous interaction through exchange of delegations, enhancing participation in each other's trade fairs and seminars and facilitating trade through positive initiatives.

 

[BSF]

^^^
Thanks for the info dude

So aimraul,what you are saying is that china accepts defected Indian goods and if India in turn does not accept defected Chinese goods the Chinese will put quality control over Indian goods?

Well okay ... what if Indian goods pass those quality control tests as those goods are the same goods that are exported to the rest of the world including Pakistan and the world does not seem to be having any problems with them.

 

[Communist]

Apart from dairy products India has banned Chinese electronic goods like mobile handset, camera, computer hard ware parts etc. This is a breach of bilateral trade deal.

China must ban each and every Indian products in retaliation.

NO to India.

 

[glomex]

Apart from dairy products India has banned Chinese electronic goods like mobile handset, camera, computer hard ware parts etc. This is a breach of bilateral trade deal.

China must ban each and every Indian products in retaliation.

NO to India.

Cheap Chinese Mobile handsets: they are a security hazard...as they don't have IMEI number...... are virtually untraceable and... can be used in terror attacks...sos they are barred for Security reason.


And can you post a link to news article stating that Chinese cameras and Computer hardware are also anned......

As far as I know...my Nokia Mobile handset and my Lenovo Laptop and desktop and Cisco phone on my table are made in China......


Import of Poor quality and Unsafe products is banned for Safety and security reasons...

Poor quality and hazardous products should be banned by every country.....

 

[Communist]

Cheap Chinese Mobile handsets: they are a security hazard...as they don't have IMEI number...... are virtually untraceable and... can be used in terror attacks...sos they are barred for Security reason.


And can you post a link to news article stating that Chinese cameras and Computer hardware are also anned......


Poor quality and hazardous products should be banned by every country.....

OK. You are talking about IMEI less Chinese mobile handsets and security system. You want GoI to ban them. Very good. But what about the 30 million IMEI-less Chinese mobile handsets that are in use?

Plus the move from unbranded cheaper handsets to expensive branded one is going to cost the consumers a bit extra on what they've spent on Chinese handsets already.

Every one knows GoI has banned Chinese electronic goods and toys.

Download the pdf doc from the following link and go to page 3, read the Bilateral Trade and Investment Relations with India to know the list of imported items.

http://www.gnexid.org/country/China.pdf

Now if you start trolling, then I am sorry, I am busy.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

What an immature gesture, but misses out on a key fact:

This is a face-saving measure by Bharat. What is not spoken is that Bharat runs a HUGE deficit against all her major trading partners that is set to increase 3-folds within the next year. Trade deficits in (1) Oil/Gas, (2) Electronics, (3) Household appliances, (4) Household goods, (5) Technology are not being balanced.

India is THE major beneficiary of remittances. The breakdown is as follows: (1) NRI remittances, (2) overseas-workers sending money home, (3) IT/BPO, and (4) speculation 'investments' by foreigners. All three are suffering badly due to Economic Depression. Goras overseas are losing business/jobs/homes need to look after themselves before they can think of relatives back home. Guest workers are being laid off in UAE, S.A., Malaysia, USA, UK, etc and are returning home in droves. IT/BPO artificial bubble is popping all over the place. Finally, foreigners are not interested in investing in India for India's benefit, but speculating on the daily rise/fall of stock/bond market and when time is right extracting funds (and making hefty arbitrage profit) back to Europe and America.

At this rate, India's federal reserve will be depleted in only a few years time! This is a grave matter that needs urgent remedy. Thus, we need to understand this tariff/ban dispute is a stop-gap measure in India's trade dispute. However, it is unfair that Fundamentalists are targeting Pakistan, Arab League and China for their problems.

Again the solution is cooperation not division amongst ourselves! In good neighborly spirit we need to help one another. One one hand USA wants international markets to be 'open', meanwhile creates obstacles for others. Russia is playing the same double-standard game. One one hand India is crying foul of US protectionism but does this.

So instead of engaging in harmful protectionistic measures, how do we sincerely help our neighbors address their deficit problems? The key here is actual investments that generate actual production, resulting in actual job and long-term career creation for India. The "investments" that USA/Europe "gives" to India are NOT actual investments but SPECULATION that they easily inject and withdraw at whim. Factories are not built.

 

[glomex]

OK. You are talking about IMEI less Chinese mobile handsets and security system. You want GoI to ban them. Very good. But what about the 30 million IMEI-less Chinese mobile handsets that are in use?

Plus the move from unbranded cheaper handsets to expensive branded one is going to cost the consumers a bit extra on what they've spent on Chinese handsets already.

GOI has passed out a direct order to Indian Mobile Companies to Block the numbers using Mobile Phones without IMEI and all those 30 Million Mobiles you claim...will be scrap very soon.......

Regarding Cost....If you are doing something illegal then you will have to bear the penalty.... so thats no argument....

IF you are busy... don't make statements that are based upon Chinese media Propaganda......

India has right to Block any Poor quality and Hazardous goods from Coming to its land.

 

[glomex]

Every one knows GoI has banned Chinese electronic goods and toys.

Download the pdf doc from the following link and go to page 3, read the Bilateral Trade and Investment Relations with India to know the list of imported items.

http://www.gnexid.org/country/China.pdf

Now if you start trolling, then I am sorry, I am busy.

The ban on Chinese Toys was relaxed in March so your claim falls flat...

Read this: India eases ban on Chinese toys

You don't need to educate me on Indo- China trade.....I know my facts.

 

[rubyjackass]

Some Chinese friend here, I remember had mentioned that those cheap phones are banned even in China.

Plus the move from unbranded cheaper handsets to expensive branded one is going to cost the consumers a bit extra on what they've spent on Chinese handsets already.

Yes, but security matters a lot.

 

[Su 30mki]

Less than half of consumer products on sale in south China are safe, according to a survey quoted by state media Tuesday.

The government survey was carried out between April and June in Guangdong province, which borders Hong Kong, and covered 202 items, including tissues, beverages and women's sanitary products, the China Daily reported.

Only 49 per cent met the government's basic hygiene standards while the rest were substandard or even "dangerous to consumers' health," the paper said, citing Guangdong's bureau of industry and commerce.

Only a third of the bottled water brands sampled met quality standards, down from more than 90 per cent a year ago, according to the paper.

However, Guangdong authorities decided not to make public the list of products deemed to be substandard, saying "it is not the right time" to disclose the names of the problem companies.

The decision triggered anger among local consumers, who were worried they might continue using unsafe products, the paper said.

"What's the point of telling us some products we are consuming are harmful without telling us which ones?" asked Huang Chunhong, a local businessman.

Product safety has been a growing concern among Chinese consumers, especially after a scandal erupted in 2008 over baby milk formula.

At least six babies died and nearly 300,000 fell ill after they consumed milk powder contaminated by the industrial chemical melamine, which was mixed in to give the appearance of a higher protein content.

South China consumer goods sub-standard: report- Hindustan Times

This Proves India's Stand....

 

[glomex]

Nearly a fifth of goods made and sold in China have been found to be sub-standard, Beijing has revealed.
The worst problems were found in canned fruit, dried fish and fruit drinks, a food inspectors' report said.

China has pledged to take action to improve its food and drug industry after a series of safety scares aroused domestic and global concern.

The US has already banned or issued warnings over several goods from China, including seafood and toothpaste.

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Fifth of China goods sub-standard

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

What an immature gesture, but misses out on a key fact:

This is a face-saving measure by Bharat. What is not spoken is that Bharat runs a HUGE deficit against all her major trading partners that is set to increase 3-folds within the next year. Trade deficits in (1) Oil/Gas, (2) Electronics, (3) Household appliances, (4) Household goods, (5) Technology are not being balanced.

India is THE major beneficiary of remittances. The breakdown is as follows: (1) NRI remittances, (2) overseas-workers sending money home, (3) IT/BPO, and (4) speculation 'investments' by foreigners. All three are suffering badly due to Economic Depression. Goras overseas are losing business/jobs/homes need to look after themselves before they can think of relatives back home. Guest workers are being laid off in UAE, S.A., Malaysia, USA, UK, etc and are returning home in droves. IT/BPO artificial bubble is popping all over the place. Finally, foreigners are not interested in investing in India for India's benefit, but speculating on the daily rise/fall of stock/bond market and when time is right extracting funds (and making hefty arbitrage profit) back to Europe and America.

At this rate, India's federal reserve will be depleted in only a few years time! This is a grave matter that needs urgent remedy. Thus, we need to understand this tariff/ban dispute is a stop-gap measure in India's trade dispute. However, it is unfair that Fundamentalists are targeting Pakistan, Arab League and China for their problems.

Again the solution is cooperation not division amongst ourselves! In good neighborly spirit we need to help one another. One one hand USA wants international markets to be 'open', meanwhile creates obstacles for others. Russia is playing the same double-standard game. One one hand India is crying foul of US protectionism but does this.

So instead of engaging in harmful protectionistic measures, how do we sincerely help our neighbors address their deficit problems? The key here is actual investments that generate actual production, resulting in actual job and long-term career creation for India. The "investments" that USA/Europe "gives" to India are NOT actual investments but SPECULATION that they easily inject and withdraw at whim. Factories are not built.

India's external debt up at $230 Billion
By IANS
Wednesday,01 July 2009, 07:42 hrs


Mumbai: India's external debt rose 2.4 percent or $5.3 billion to $229.9 billion for the fiscal ended March 31, the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) said Tuesday.

India, which has an external debt equivalent to 22 percent of its gross domestic product, was already the fifth most indebted country in the world in 2007, the central bank said in a statement.


The current account - which includes components like external trade deficit and remittances from overseas - had a deficit of $29.82 billion for last fiscal, compared to a deficit of $17.03 billion in the previous period.

The capital account - which comprises items like foreign investment, external loans and foreign assistance - had a surplus of $9.15 billion for 2008-09 compared to a surplus of $107.94 billion in the year-ago period.