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@Trango Towers said Why does every chief the day he retires runs abroad.

That is true. By contrast few Indian generals go abroad.

One reason could be that Pakistani generals are much respected globally for their military abilities and sought after for the same. For instance, Gen Raheel Sharif was appointed as the military commander in KSA when they faced Yemeni aggression. Gen Zia (while he was still serving in the Army) defended Jordan against Palestinian uprising.

Regards
 
@Trango Towers said Why does every chief the day he retires runs abroad.

That is true. By contrast few Indian generals go abroad.

One reason could be that Pakistani generals are much respected globally for their military abilities and sought after for the same. For instance, Gen Raheel Sharif was appointed as the military commander in KSA when they faced Yemeni aggression. Gen Zia (while he was still serving in the Army) defended Jordan against Palestinian uprising.

Regards
No I think thy steal so much money that its better for them and their pathetic families to live far from pakistan.

We need to rein in the privileges. How the hell can a general on their salaries afford the luxuries they have. Simple maths
 
As we speak the military establishment are producing p0rn videos like its a redtube backroom office. There are scores of other activities the officers and the bosses are engaging in that its better left undiscussed.

Now that the milk is spilt, why cry over it. The military inc is stripped naked to the bone.

The only option is to introspect and think about the road ahead. Are they introspecting and course correcting? Hell no!
 
The Pak military leadership needs to learn from their Turkish counterparts if they're honest and sincere. They gave Biat to Reis Erdo'an, and now they're the most professional force in the region being inundated with indigenous weapons, successes in the fields, and most importantly the unprecedented love, respect and affection from the common folks....

Give Biat to IK, and enjoy the above.....

Otherwise, you'll perish, and a new leadership will emerge.....

Kufr continues, Zulm doesn't...

I’ve been reading your posts for years now and I think there’s bit of confusion on your part comparing these colonial mental slaves to the brave Turkish military/people.

People who matter in Pakistan are westernized, coward, and will not do anything that you’ve been writing.

The Turks have a glorious history, our people not so much. They are coward by nature and easily beaten. Only folks who are brave are the Gilgit folks that beat back Indian forces on their own, and the Pashtuns for beating up on Indians over the centuries.

My people are cowards born in slavery. Few of us that migrate to the west understands this when educated in a proper environment.

The Turks, the Persians do not let their own country get bombed and raped.

Only these daalkhors do that. I read that these daalkors let a British Sikh contingent come and take photos at a battle site where they killed Muslims.

You’re only dishonoring the brave Turks when you compare these haramzaday to them.
 
These nonsense officers on the Pak Army have done nothing but suck nawaz shreef. Their stupidity lost east pakistan. Their stupidity and laziness is the reason Kashmir is still occupied. They lost saichen glacier, but on the home front they have never lost an election.
Their leadership is so fantastic that we daily lose soldiers whilst they are sleeping with actresses and looting the people. Why does every chief the day he retires runs abroad. What secrets do they divulge to get instant residency in foreign lands.

Shame of Pakistan is the officer class now. This is coming from me who loves Pakistan and until recently thought this institution was whiter than white. Now there is the lotas and the officers. Brothers in arms. Meanwhile the jawaans die.

You need to get your head out of the sand and stop the pir mareedi... perhaps you will ban me now as like the corrupt u also have a tiny amount of power.
Jawan zindabad, who will start and stop to fire on the command of the officer you despise. Good logic.

Chalo, Pakistan Army Zindabad, coz jawans constitute above 75% of it.
 
Jawan zindabad, who will start and stop to fire on the command of the officer you despise. Good logic.

Chalo, Pakistan Army Zindabad, coz jawans constitute above 75% of it.

Sorry bro..

I wish you would stop the parrot in you that keeps telling us how good and important the officer core is when

Officers are trecherous. You know it deep down. They are theives.. they sell pakistan to America. They bend over for money. I know generals who retire and serve malaik Riaz like he was god. He abuses them but koneh is money.
 
Hey man my pizza was cold again 🤬 not good , I try support the army in my culinary choices by ordering the papa John special but it’s quality has gone down . It’s plasticky and cold .

Can you put this concern to your boss otherwise I’ll be going to little ceasers .
 
Sorry bro..

I wish you would stop the parrot in you that keeps telling us how good and important the officer core is when

Officers are trecherous. You know it deep down. They are theives.. they sell pakistan to America. They bend over for money. I know generals who retire and serve malaik Riaz like he was god. He abuses them but koneh is money.
I mean top tier is corrupt, but so are of bureaucracy, judges, police, and politicians. Nonetheless, the bar is more on army as they brought the devils by giving NRO and perhaps they loot and plunder more than others and no less than in the name of security and jawans'/officers' martyrdom.
I am just heartbroken that our ancestors and we have consumed the money/debt which will be paid by our future generation. It is like being born in Pakistan automatically puts you in debt/slavery. Such an unfortunate tragedy that the children have no fault but have to bear the burden of their forefather's incompetence and cowardice.
 
Whenever I see the papa johns outlet now my mind goes straight to asim bajwa. Even though he might not have anything to do with that particular outlet but the fact that he has 300 of them who knows.

The decision is for me is then to order from pizza hut or dominos

These nonsense officers on the Pak Army have done nothing but suck nawaz shreef. Their stupidity lost east pakistan. Their stupidity and laziness is the reason Kashmir is still occupied. They lost saichen glacier, but on the home front they have never lost an election.
Their leadership is so fantastic that we daily lose soldiers whilst they are sleeping with actresses and looting the people. Why does every chief the day he retires runs abroad. What secrets do they divulge to get instant residency in foreign lands.

Shame of Pakistan is the officer class now. This is coming from me who loves Pakistan and until recently thought this institution was whiter than white. Now there is the lotas and the officers. Brothers in arms. Meanwhile the jawaans die.

You need to get your head out of the sand and stop the pir mareedi... perhaps you will ban me now as like the corrupt u also have a tiny amount of power.

I have seen alot of military touts but not one like him. Good thing is those types are decreasing day by day.

I mean top tier is corrupt, but so are of bureaucracy, judges, police, and politicians. Nonetheless, the bar is more on army as they brought the devils by giving NRO and perhaps they loot and plunder more than others and no less than in the name of security and jawans'/officers' martyrdom.
I am just heartbroken that our ancestors and we have consumed the money/debt which will be paid by our future generation. It is like being born in Pakistan automatically puts you in debt/slavery. Such an unfortunate tragedy that the children have no fault but have to bear the burden of their forefather's incompetence and cowardice.

Politicians never had power in 75 year odd history. The reason people have started cursing them is they know where orders come from. Politicians are passerbys.
 
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The Pak military leadership needs to learn from their Turkish counterparts if they're honest and sincere. They gave Biat to Reis Erdo'an, and now they're the most professional force in the region being inundated with indigenous weapons, successes in the fields, and most importantly the unprecedented love, respect and affection from the common folks....

Give Biat to IK, and enjoy the above.....

Otherwise, you'll perish, and a new leadership will emerge.....

Kufr continues, Zulm doesn't...

Then I read what the (formerly here, now elsewhere) Turkish members have to say about you (specifically your delusions about their country esp with regards to Ataturk) and chuckle.

How little you know and how off putting you are "M Saint" the disgruntled Bengali.

What was your role in their departure from here again?....and why did you "transition" from Turkish flag to 2 yank flags?

"Non-organic" connections to countries and other funny stuff. *If crows could laugh!!!!*

Unfortunately, can't read Urdu.....

Of course you cant :omghaha:
 
I mean top tier is corrupt, but so are of bureaucracy, judges, police, and politicians. Nonetheless, the bar is more on army as they brought the devils by giving NRO and perhaps they loot and plunder more than others and no less than in the name of security and jawans'/officers' martyrdom.
I am just heartbroken that our ancestors and we have consumed the money/debt which will be paid by our future generation. It is like being born in Pakistan automatically puts you in debt/slavery. Such an unfortunate tragedy that the children have no fault but have to bear the burden of their forefather's incompetence and cowardice.
100% agreed
 
@Trango Towers said Why does every chief the day he retires runs abroad.

That is true. By contrast few Indian generals go abroad.

One reason could be that Pakistani generals are much respected globally for their military abilities and sought after for the same. For instance, Gen Raheel Sharif was appointed as the military commander in KSA when they faced Yemeni aggression. Gen Zia (while he was still serving in the Army) defended Jordan against Palestinian uprising.

Regards

It has absolutely nothing to do with them being Clausewitz, Guderian or Zhukov & everything to do with Sovereignty & the lack of it.
 
Sorry bro..

I wish you would stop the parrot in you that keeps telling us how good and important the officer core is when

Officers are trecherous. You know it deep down. They are theives.. they sell pakistan to America. They bend over for money. I know generals who retire and serve malaik Riaz like he was god. He abuses them but koneh is money.
There are a few ways to look at it.

Firstly, a soldier obeys command of officer, so whatever your beloved soldier does is the wish of the officer. This means that soldier is just a robot while the officer you hate so much is the one controlling the robot. You may love the robot all you want but that robot is doing however officer controls it.

Secondly, in PA, soldier or NCO are dependent on officer for all guidelines so an officer is always with them in the front lines, right in the face of combat which is why so many captains, majors, Lt Cols, even red tapers like Brig, Maj Gen (GOCs) become causalities in the frontlines. These "treacherous" officers can base their HQs 100km behind the frontlines, yet they don't. These officers move along with their soldiers to the frontlines. You must have seen in news and on PDF posted news that along with a soldier, an officer also becomes a causality.
This is why whether you want to absorb this fact or not, the soldier and officer are inseparable. You love one, but the other cannot be ignored even 1% coz the one you love is 100% controlled by the another. Ponder on it coz your logic is not logical at all.

About selling Pakistan to America:
The gains from America have to be tangible and lucrative such as giving an edge over India somehow through F-16s, through American EW, Tanks, newer artillery, newer long range weapons etc. While look at military procurement, its all Chinese tanks and weapons and aircrafts. Its not 80's anymore that PA is dependent on USA weaponry neither Pakistan pursued CSF.
Secondly, another reason that American demands cannot be completely met is a mistrust between Pak-US relations and the Chinese presence. PA cannot make both USA and China happy at the same time, Chinese interests are chosen over American interests because of CPEC also, plus China gives out loans which USA doesn't.
Thirdly, for individual gains, there is plenty that is given out to military officers, more than civilian cadres like judiciary, Civil services etc, so making a buck over buck can lead to losing whatever PA has already given. Whereas, the plots etc given by PA on retirement is enough to buy land and settle abroad. Kickbacks through USA are non-existent because almost all deals are struck with China for military acquisition and the USA aid has ended a long time back. Some programs with USA are still active like academic exchange, postings in some US defense positions like Centcom etc, deployments like TF-150/151 etc, and common training regimens are there. With deployment abroad, there is a payment in dollars, I can't remember the term for it, but its nominal and ends when the tenure abroad ends.
Lastly, bowing infront of USA by PA just doesn't happen coz IK says so.
I mean top tier is corrupt, but so are of bureaucracy, judges, police, and politicians. Nonetheless, the bar is more on army as they brought the devils by giving NRO and perhaps they loot and plunder more than others and no less than in the name of security and jawans'/officers' martyrdom.
The point to ponder is why doesn't military's own structure and system fail ?
Mutiny gets suppressed, operations becomes successful (Swat, Wana etc), the operational cycle of military continues, the weapon acquisition occurs every other year or so, the command in HQs remains intact, the command and control over soldiers, missiles and nuclear assets in unscathed - basically military's own system, even while at war on western front and an arch enemy sitting in east, keeps running without hinderance while the rest of the departments you have mentioned keep having issues with in themselves.

True that when military intervenes into political and civil avenues, a turmoil starts to brew which sometimes military also cannot control, but then why aren't these departments themselves strong like military, that no fingers can be pointed towards their internal structure. Look at military's internal structure, a divisional formation structure or a HQ structure, it just doesn't fail, it delivers whatever GHQ asks of it. Whereas, look at police the fragile police structure or reforms, the inconsistent judicial structure since law is weak in Pakistan, the bureaucracy whose structure is birthed from British norms too but is affected by political strings.

When military brings its own operational strategy into civil departments like Wapda, the effects are insignificant, since the way EME operates is not how Wapda functions and the military "danda" can maybe solve 25% of Wapda chronic issues. Then to say that all the departments of Pakistan are functioning below-par because of Army rule or Army intervention is utter nonsense too, since:
1. Army never gave orders to PIA, Wapda etc to perform below par, to use their equipment for Army, to fire their employees, to cut down their budget, to make or break their policies which constitutes financial damage.
2. Army tried its SOPs in these departments but results were not as expected such as in Musharraf era.
3. These departments were still operational during democratic years when Army intervention into these departments was non-existent yet they failed to perform.

The influence that Army held on judiciary, police, bureaucracy etc is detrimental but its controversial from both sides, not just Army's side so pointing out just Army is unfair. IK's debacle regarding this has been discussed to death however its a give 'n' take policy, if Army asks something, it has to give at some place also, which makes it tricky as the last avenue to choose where an intervention occurs.

The conclusion is that Army has its own way of doing things and those methods cannot be used in civilian or political structure, this what makes political engineering or intervention a dangerous step.
 
Signalian writes nice articles. Unfortunately, it’s hard to read more than a couple of lines. All we want to know is when the lawless generals will start following the constitution of Pakistan.
 

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